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We’re not conquering Iraq


Here is an email I received in response to one of my essays.

Were not conquering Iraq : Tyler M : tmunth@hotmail.com : 2008-03-31

You Americans are trying to conquer Iraq to steal/control its #2 oil reserves on the planet, but you are failing miserably, even though they are only 1/12 your size and they have no money or advanced military technology. Napoléon explained why:

How many things apparently impossible have nevertheless been performed by resolute men who had no alternative but death.
~ Napoléon Bonaparte (born:1769-08-15 died:1821-05-05 at age:51)
I am a 23 year old college student considering enlisting in the United States Army.

Cough. The spelling and logic skill you have exhibited in your email are not consistent with that claim, unless you mean some correspondence bible school college.

I am sure as you are reading this, your gut reaction is that I am a looser who has no other options.

You always have other options. Claiming no other option but the military is as lame as claiming you have no other options but becoming drug dealer or a prostitute.

A peon, one who is willing to get paid to kill for the war machine. Maybe even a saddistic and psychotic child killer. If that is what you believe then so be it.

If you sign up to for a government sponsored safari to Iraq to hunt kids, I can’t see how one could come to any other conclusion.

Your arguments are convincing, yet the are fueled with immature emotion and an over exaggerated personal bias.

If my arguments are convincing, why aren’t you convinced? Surely my arguments stand independent of any of my personal failings. Perhaps you wrote because in your heart you know I am right and you just need a little more convincing to to help stand against the pressure you are receving from ignorant or evil folk pushing you to enlist, or your own dark side. If it is inappropriate to get emotional about killing and torturing children, then what is it appropriate to get emotional about? It is a Darwinian imperative to be concerned about the welfare of children. Any society that fails to do that perishes. It is you who are being irrational. To deal with the brutal reality of what your country has done, you have numbed your natural emotions and dissociated, much the way a schizophrenic deals with an overwhelming reality or overwhelming guilt.

The fact is, our troops, no I’m sorry MY, a.k.a. American troops are there dying everyday. You can argue up and down about how wrong the war is and how illegal it is according the the UN (United Nations) but that does not change the fact that the war is still going on.

Michael Siefert, Nazi war criminal sentenced to life at 82 years of age
Michael Siefert, Nazi war criminal sentenced to life at 82 years of age

The Iraq war is also illegal according to the Geneva conventions and according to the Nuremberg principles. Your country signed treaties which is it violating. It is not just a matter of opinion. It is a matter of international law. The USA is reneging on its word. Does that not make you feel ashamed, to live in a country that welches on its agreements? If you participate in the Iraq war, you will become an international war criminal. Your particular crime is called aiding and abetting an aggressive war. It is a capital offence. If the USA fails to continue to protect you from prosecution, you could be hanged or imprisoned for life. There is no statute of limitations. Some Nazis were not brought to justice until they were kidnapped and tried while they were in their 90s. This very email might be used in evidence against you to prove criminal intent.

True, we invaded under false pretenses and sadly 100,000 iraqi citizens have died, but we are doing what we can to hold this country together.

Sadly?, some regrettable accident? Your country planned and executed those murders using Shock & Awe. You Americans killed those people who did nothing to you and who were no threat to you, in the most hideous, brutal, painful and protracted ways possible. You racist slime bag, to try to spin this into something you regretted.

Of course, the extremists don’t want us there and they are using any means to get us out, but what did you expect us to do after we removed sadaam from power?

There you go spouting Bush propaganda again. There is nothing extreme about trying to kick the living daylights out of soldiers invading, plundering or occupying your country. It is your patriotic duty.

Tell the people, k well good luck getting your country put back together we’re going back home! Your allegations of our troops following in the footsteps of the Nazi’s is preposterous! Just because Kofi Annan declares the war illegal does not mean we are all fucking nazi’s.

Correct, you are not Nazis; you Americans are behaving worse than the Nazis! It is hard for you to see that because your patriotism blinds you and leads you to excuse inexcusable behaviour.

The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
~ George Orwell (born:1903-06-25 died:1950-01-21 at age:46)

The Nazis did not routinely torture all POWs (Prisoner Of Wars). They did not use banned weapons like napalm, white phosphorus and cluster bombs. America does in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Nazis killed with gas chambers. You Americans kill with torture and banned weapons. Further, you are identical with the Nazis in that you both invaded multiple countries, unprovoked on false pretenses. Even you concede that.

It is easy to agree with the UN (who, by the way can barely hold itself together) as there is no doubt that the war has been a controversial subject from day one, but what’s done is done. Furthermore, at the time the war started Annon did not declair the war illegal.

The invasion of Iraq was illegal from the start.
~ Walter Cronkite (born:1916-11-04 died:2009-07-17 at age:92) 2007-12-04, Common Dreams
The invasion and occupation of Iraq is illegal.
~ Kofi Annan (born:1938-04-08 age:78)Secretary General and Boutros Boutros-Ghali (born:1922-11-14 died:2016-02-16 at age:93) former Secretary General of the U.N.
I think in this case international law stood in the way of doing the right thing.
~ Richard Perle (born:1941-09-16 age:75), 2003-11-20, Pentagon hawk, cat-stroking, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, James Bond villain pasty lookalike, admitting the Iraq war is illegal.
This [the Iraq war] is just an excuse to get Iraq’s oil.
~ Nelson Mandela (born:1918-07-18 died:2013-12-05 at age:95)

I gather you live in a cave. Do a little research before you shoot your mouth off.

So hide behind the UN officials and call our troops Nazi’s but I believe that as of right now, the people need us there and most of the citizens would agree.

I am not hiding. You are the coward who have not even the guts you sign your full name. I call your country Nazi to your face. The UN is more politic. They merely say the Iraq war is illegal. According to a poll taken in 2008-03 by NBC (National Broadcasting Corporation), 66% of Americans favour an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. So your claim for widespread support for your bellicose position is obviously untrue and may well even be a lie.

Without the US troops they would fall into civil war and I am willing to fight to bring peace to the middle east and maybe one day secure another ally, for better of for worse.

I don’t believe you. There is not an altruistic bone in your body. You don’t give a fig about the people of Iraq. You don’t even know the first thing about them. From your ignorance, I doubt you have even talked with a single Iraqi ex-patriate to get another view of the situation. You just want to get out there and kill, torture and rape with little chance of being brought to justice. There is already a civil war and Bush deliberately started it. You might recognise it by the euphemism of the policy of divide and conquer. You admit that the administration has lied and lied and lied to you, yet you naïvely spout their latest excuse to continue the war. Why do you still trust them? The American presence in Iraq, terrorising the civilian population, has made the situation worse and worse with every passing month. More of the same will obviously not improve the situation.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
~ Rita Mae Brown (born:1944-11-28 age:71) in Sudden Death often misattributed to Benjamin Franklin.

Persistence is great, but you must persist with something that works.

By that definition, are you should be incarcerated for the protection of yourself and others. If you go ahead with your plan to became a hitman and serial murderer, may you get your balls, penis, a leg and an arm blown off on the first day you land in Iraq, before you get a chance to hurt anyone. May someone have to feed your drooling mouth with a spoon for the rest of your wretched life. Even that is far too gentle a punishment for the crimes you plan to commit, like the one committed by one of your fellow sadists below.

Iraqi child burned by Americans

Were not conquering Iraq, continued : Tyler M : tmunth@hotmail.com : 2008-03-31

Your simple minded response that you have not only given to me but everyone else that has disagreed with your logic is almost amusing.

Your email contains about 30 spelling and grammatical errors. If you view the page with a modern browser such as Opera, you will see them marked. You can’t even spell the words you pontificate about. Your desire to hunt children for sport is a sign you are being led around by your testes, not your brain. Like every American child, you spent most of your life so far being unquestioningly stuffed like Christmas turkey with the ideas and beliefs of your caretakers. You have had hardly any time to think for yourself, maybe 5 years. I have had nine times as much time to experience, study and reflect. I have a degree in mathematics which includes logic. You are a drop out. You are hardly in a position to look down your nose at me on academic grounds.

Listen to what you are saying,, The Nazis did not routinely torture all POW (Prisoner Of War) I am not sure if you recieved the memo but the Innocent Jewish men, women and children were the Nazi’s POW ’s!

I did not say the Nazis were angels, just that they did not routinely torture all POWs the way you American do. I consider torturing people a more egregious crime than executing them in gas chambers. You are trying to weasel The fact that you Americans are much worse than Nazis in your treatment of POWs. That you Americans treat Jews infinitely better than Nazis is just a red herring. It is like a serial murderer trying to excuse his crimes by pointing out he helped an old lady cross the street.

The Jews were German citizens, so it is quite a stretch to call them POW s, but even if you do, the Nazis starved them and worked them to death, but they did not explicitly torture them the way you Americans torture your detainees. The very fact you are even in the same ballpark as Nazis should shame you, but you excuse your self with slippery tricks, like Dershowitz defending OJ (Orenthal James Simpson). You are a moral degenerate.

And they routinely slaughtered them by the millions. I am sure you have heard of a little place called Auschwitz. You also speak about us invading Iraq and murdering innocent civilians but you never one metioned the countless numbers of dead Iraqi civillians (including children) killed by their own people EVERYDAY through secratarian violence, including mass murders and sucide bombings.

But you Americans deliberately fomented that violence. You gave Shia traitors weapons with which to terrorise the population, rape and extort. This lead to Sunni reprisals. You lit the match that set off the civil war. You continue to pay Iraqi traitors to kill their own people. Can you think of a better way to set brother against brother?

You believe it is all so simple, get out of Iraq. Have you ever thought of what might happen to their country when we do leave?

That is such colonial racist thinking. Iraqis have been managing their own affairs for 6000 years. They don’t need you whippersnapper Americans and your patronising white man’s burden crap. You Americans are not there to help but to plunder. Read up on what you have done so far. The Iraqis don’t want you. You Americans are like some mother-in-law from hell who pretends she is indispensable and is deaf to all entreaties persuading her to leave. Surely the Iraqis know best what will most likely work for them.

The killing of innocent civilans including children, which seems to be all you can focus on, is not going to end because American troops no longer occupy the country.

There is a war because Iraq is occupied. It won’t end until America leaves. You are too young to remember Viet Nam. Hawks peddled the same arguments as you are parroting for keeping the Viet Nam war going. Viet Nam is now a peaceful relatively prosperous place.

You are blind in your rationale that the American presence is the only problem facing the Iraqi people.

I said no such thing. You are such a cheat and liar, repeatedly putting words into my mouth I did not say. Your crooked straw man fallacies indicate you don’t even believe your own arguments. Iraq’s biggest problem is being occupied and being sucked dry of resources. They obviously have many others, many of them created deliberately by Americans, e.g. having their schools, electric plants, sewage plants and hospitals bombed to rubble.

Furthermore, you claim to have spoken with many veterans about their experiences in the war but have you spoken to even one Iraqi civilian who is affraid to go to the market and feed his family because of attacks from their own people, not American soldiers?

I have talked to Iraqi ex-patriates. They talk to their relatives back home. They feel betrayed by the USA. American promised liberation and it gave them Shock & Awe and endless occupation. I sat with them on the first of the war watch you Americans bomb to ratshit familiar Baghdad neighbourhoods live on CNN (Cable News Network). They screamed and wailed of betrayal. I thought they were fools to have believed Bush’s claim of liberation. The entire Iraqi people instantly caught on to Bush’s lie and betrayal. They will never trust him again. Inexplicably, you still appear to believe his lie.

U.S. troops along with Iraqi’s defend civilians who cannot defend themselves so that they can create a government and bring peace to their war torn streets.

Who said that, Rumsfeld? Why do you insist on swallowing Neocon crap when they have lied repeatedly to you? You can see with your own eyes that Iraqis want you out of there. If someone commits suicide in order to kill you, how could you possibly miss the message that they want you to go home? Even after all this time, American soldiers huddle in the tiny green zone which is not even safe. A nation 1/12 your size, with no budget for war, could hold you at bay only if the vast majority wanted you to leave.

I wrote that we went to war under false pretences and this is true, there is no denying this. As I said before its happened and as fucked up as it is that we went there and gave them Shock and Awe, we have to make an effort to rebuild. We are there fighting daily to establish a democracy and civility in the country.

Balls! In that so-called election every candidate had to register with the Americans. Nobody who actively opposed the occupation could run. That is a puppet government, not a democracy. That phony government clearly does not have the support of the people. It has no more legitimacy that the Vichy government in Nazi-occupied France.

You seem to know all the problems with us Americans yet you offer no solutions for Iraq and its people.

If a pit bull is chewing a child’s arm off, my top priority is to stop the attack. After that is done we can deal with the mess the attack has caused. You seem to think killing kids makes things better. What a liar! You know damn well violence just begets violence, especially in the middle east with its cult of multi-generational revenge. You are just looking of an excuse to get your sadistic rocks off.

You only offer one side of the argument. You are arrogant, ignorant and close-minded to think that all the troops are doing is killing innocent civilians.

I didn’t say that. However, even if the troops were knitting booties for Tibetan orphans it does not excuse their slaughter of innocents in Iraq. That overrides everything else.

Throw all the quotes you want at me, it does not change the fact that it happened.

I threw quotes at you to counter your claim the Iraq war is legal. You are like a demented Nazi who says Yes, Auzschwitz was terrible, but I have my heart set on becoming a Belsen guard. Hitler says this is a lovely holiday camp for Jews and want to help unfortunate Jews. There are a million ways to help the Jews. Why did he pick that one? Because he is a sadist and wanted to torment Jews. He was just parroting the old cover story.

What happens in detainee camps and what happened at Abu Dhabi Abu Dhabi is the capital of the UAE (United Arab Emirates). Abu Ghraib is Saddam’s torture camp now used by the USA) is unexcusable and I am not trying to down-play the horrific events. SOME of the soldiers are psychotic, murdering, rapists who deserve to be ass rapped by a thousand black dildo’s then castrated and hung out to dry. However, you cannot conclude that every american fighting is a baby killer or rapist because that is not true. Many of them actually don’t kill for fun, many of them only shoot when shot at and many of them die for the Iraqi’s to obtain a better life.

I does not matter whether you actually rape a child, or murder one, you are still guilty. Let me explain this one more time. If you drive a car for a bank heist and your buddy kills a bank teller, you are guilty of murder too. If you aid and abet an aggressive war, even if all you do is peel potatoes, you are a guilty of aiding and abetting an aggressive war, an international war crime, a capital offence. Whether you agree such a law is just or not, the law still applies to you. The practical questions are:

  1. Will the USA be militarily powerful enough protect you from prosecution until you die?
  2. Will the USA have the political will to protect you from prosecution until you die?
  3. Will you be a big enough a fish to bother with? Will someone take the time to come after you? This very email may have sealed your fate.

Your claim that I dont care for Iraqi’s is bullshit and if I were to join the war I would not shoot any innocent civilian even if a gun was held to my head.

Bullshit! You know perfectly well US soldiers routinely kill and torture children in Iraq. It is justified on the grounds they might be armed or live in homes where a suspected combatant may be taking refuge. There is official policy soldiers can kill 30 civilians without special permission to nail a high value target. Almost nobody has the guts to stand up to the US military. Can you think of anyone but Lt. Ehren Watada? You are not in his league. Nearly everyone turns into a quivering worm after the humiliation of the brainwashing ordeal aka boot camp, willing to kiss the butt of his superior officer. You are a moral lightweight. You have no deep convictions. All you do is parrot propaganda. You would be the first to cave. Soldiers volunteer knowing they will be under orders to kill. They get goosebumps thinking about it. Why else would they volunteer with such lousy pay and miserable working conditions? That’s like saying your are joining a street gang to help the public. If you plan to resist the military, the only practical time is before you enlist.

As you said It is a Darwinian imperative to be concerned about the welfare of children and I do care not only for children of America but children and people everywhere and there will be no peace in Iraq if we pull our troops out now.

So you think killing kids, their parents and grandparents is doing them a favour? May someone do you the same favour! If you cared a hoot about people on the other side of the world, you would be joining the Peace Corps, not the military. Your arguments don’t ring true. You are feeding me bullshit hoping for absolution for your crimes. Face it, it boils down to this, you desperately want to hunt humans. That turns your crank, big time. Mayhem is what you think about when you jerk off. All the BS you have been feeding me is just feeble excuses. (There is only one legimate excuse and that is to defend your country from imminent invasion. That does apply in Iraq or Afghanistan.) You are trying them out on me to see if any of them fly. Lots of people are going to spit on you for the rest of your life, not just me if you go ahead with your serial killer plan. Is it really worth the more exciting jerkoffs? Why not try drugs, e.g. cocaine or methamphetamines. Then you will just destroy just your own life, not those of people who have done you or your country no harm.

Were not conquering Iraq, rejoinder : Tyler M : tmunth@hotmail.com : 2008-04-01

Nice response Roedy… figured you were a coward who would not even be able to write a response.

I am not afraid of you. I have extreme contempt and hatred for you. You are the coward, afraid to even sign your name. If I decided not to respond, it would not be out of fear but out of boredom. You as eloquent as a barking dog. I only have humoured you this far to expose you and your ilk for the vacuous shits you all are.

It must be hard for you when you know your wrong. Your web page is a joke and you care no more about the Iraqi people then the marines who raped them. You Sir are a bigot and a fraud.

You have provided not even one fact to back up your allegations. You are so clueless, that you were under the delusion the Iraq war is legal. How dare you lecture to me as if you were an expert when you don’t even know something as basic as that! You have not read a single book. Your only source of information is FOX news soundbites. In summary, you are an arrogant, malicious twit. I just hope you remove yourself from the gene pool before you do any serious damage. You are so ignorant, you don’t even know what your childish insults mean. You are like a child calling his mother a buttbanger.


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